Rochelle graciously replied to my original article, which you can see on the post before this. You can find my reply to her reply here on Amped Asia. You can see her response to my original article here.
My Reply to Rochelle’s Reply to My Reply to Her Reply to that Guy Who Wrote That Letter About How Rochelle’s Racist
I love how this forum can facilitate reasoned discussion on this thorny topic.
First, the accolades. I am very grateful for Rochelle’s thoughts in these three articles. She is doing all Asian-American men a great service by listing what she perceives as weaknesses in Asian-American men. And she does this almost without any self-consciousness of how politically incorrect some of her claims are. For this, I applaud her. Too many people are afraid to speak their minds because of political correctness.
I truly enjoy how Rochelle lets loose, even though her arguments are in places heavily tainted by Eurocentric and especially American-centric assumptions and viewpoints.
She and I agree on most points regarding the current flaws in Asian-American men.
I’ve been telling Asian men for years informally, and over a year formally on my site, that they need to be more dominant, aggressive, adventurous, confident to the point of being almost cocky, and to stand tall and buff up.
Advice on what guys need to change about themselves is so much more powerful when it comes from an attractive girl. I have no idea how hot Rochelle is, but I’m imagining a hot girl, lol. I will point to Rochelle’s assessments as data and evidence for my claims and admonitions regarding the above points.
As for the disagreements: Clearly, Rochelle and I don’t have access to the facts that would settle our core disagreement here, which comes down to the physical features of the Asian race versus non-Asian races.
I admitted as much in my original article. And then I said that since all Rochelle offered were specific cases, I too would offer isolated cases, which is what I did systematically.
I’m not going to reiterate my cases and evidence, which you can find in my original article.
In her rejoinder, Rochelle seems to retract her original statement about ‘Asian men’ since she doesn’t want to make claims about Asian men everywhere in Asia or the world, and rightly so.
Also, she neglects to address the personal examples I cited about Chinese men in China and about Asians from the northern steppes, including Mongolians.
More tellingly, she did not speak to one of my main points, which is that for Asian-American men to get in touch with their Asian roots and discover the alphaness in their Asian heritage, they really need to spend an extended period living in Asia and hanging out with real Asian alpha males.
The solution is not as easy as saying to Asian-American men, ‘Hey, be like those white guys and black guys over there who are taking all your Asian women.’
For an Asian-American to go that route is already emasculating. The Asian-American male would have to admit that yes, my genes and heritage have let me down, white men are socially superior, and I aspire only to become like those white alpha males physically and socially. This is self-defeating, not to mention utterly demoralizing.
Rather, one of the secrets to turning the tide of Asian-American masculinity is a re-connection with the local or native Asian alpha male. At present, they are rarely found outside of Asia. After all, there is no good reason for the top dogs in their own country to immigrate to a completely foreign field. By the way, this applies to the most beautiful Asian women, as well. See my post on Is It Easier or Tougher for Foreign Guys in Asia?
The purpose is to see firsthand what a natural Asian alpha male is like and how different they can be from non-Asian alpha males. Admittedly, these native Asian alphas can be hard for the average foreigner to find.
But the example they set is empowering.
You don’t have to be like the alpha white guys. Don’t take Rochelle’s point as ‘Be more like those alpha white guys.’ Even if that was her intention, I’d like to think she had something nobler in mind.
Be the Asian alpha male. There are particular Asian ways of being alpha. One of the best ways to do this is to learn from native Asian alphas.
Make your genetics, your race, and your cultural heritage work FOR you.
Asian-American brothers, stand up for yourselves! Don’t make me be your Tyler Durden. Be your own Tyler Durden!
Okay, that sounds pretty funny, lol. But I’m trying to be serious, here.
Now to the rest of Rochelle’s rejoinder.
In most of these disagreements over the empirical evidence, we are talking past each other.
Part of the problem was that I may not have been clear enough in my earlier article, and for that, I accept all the blame. I will try to be clearer here.
With half the world’s population, Asia still couldn’t produce more than a handful of guys who could compete at the highest level of a sport that requires the traits that I’m talking about (strength, height, stature, etc).
I guess she’s referring to basketball. Yes, I readily acknowledge America’s domination and promotion of this sport and of how few Asians are competing at the top levels. There are, however, plenty of sociological, economic, historical, and even political reasons for this. This has hardly anything to do with whether there are enough tall Asians, LOL.
Even worse is American Football where there are barely any Asian players at all, much less a superstar.
Yes, America dominates American football, LOL. I don’t think any Asian country even cares about whether they field an American football team.
I personally love American football. But let’s face it. American football is not even an international sport. It wouldn’t matter if I were 6’5’, 230 lbs., and could run 40 yards in 5 seconds. I still wouldn’t have a clue where to get the equipment, find the right field, or even locate other players to play American football in, say, Beijing or Singapore.
Okay, so basketball and American football’¦ Hmm’¦ Can we say, ‘Team USA!’
Even in a sport like tennis where pure athleticism wins over strength and stature, there are very few Asian players that can compete with the Russians, Americans, and Europeans.
Tennis? Why tennis? Why not martial arts, like Tae Kwon-do or Judo? Or even boxing, in which China did win a gold medal at the recent Olympics.
I suppose now we’re going to go through the sports one by one and argue over whether Asians have the potential to compete at the highest level. But this would be futile.
My original point was that there is nothing inherent or genetic in the physical build or stature of Asian men that prevents them from getting to the highest levels in any major sport.
There are plenty of sociological, economic, political, and historical reasons why certain countries have dominated other countries in certain sports.
There is no human race that has any significant advantage genetically over any other human race in any international sport.
I am quite frankly shocked that I would even have to make this statement explicitly. Perhaps I’ve been too long in the ivory tower’¦
Of course China is going to train great gymnasts and ping pong players, but just because they have some great athletes in those sports doesn’t mean the whole race is athletic.
Wow. I must be misreading here. Ignoring the American-centric bias towards certain sports here, I still can’t be interpreting this rightly.
Rochelle can’t possibly be claiming that the WHOLE RACE of ASIANS is inherently physically inferior.
She must mean, instead, that historically, non-Asian countries have been dominant in more international sports than Asian countries have.
I am happy to agree with that empirical claim, even if it is historically contingent.
Let’s conclude with a convergence.
If you notice I wrote about “Where in Asia can you find the charismatic and dominant equivalent of Brad Pitt in Fight Club” I didn’t say “Where in Asia can you find people who have a body like Brad Pitt.” The keyword here is the charismatic and dominant portrayal of Tyler Durden that Brad Pitt displayed that is really key’¦ The issue I wanted to address with the Brad Pitt example was that Asian men are simply not as dominant with their words or their actions as they could and should be.
This part I really like. I misunderstood her original point, thinking that she meant Brad Pitt’s physical appearance. What she really meant was that more Asian-American men should be like Brad Pitt’s character, Tyler Durden.
Thank you, Rochelle, for saying this. I totally agree with you that Asian-American men in particular need to stand up for themselves and be more like the Tyler Durden character in Fight Club. In fact, that is a running theme in the PUA (pickup artist) movement.
I am Asian and I love my Asian heritage, but sometimes I’m just fed up with Asian guys that simply need to “man up” and ask me out on a date or I’m mad that some Asian guys don’t care enough about their body’¦ Instead of having Asian men whining that white guys are stealing their girls, why not go out and steal some white girls?
Dudes, quit your whining. Stand up straight. Keep your chin up. Speak loudly. Learn to be dominant. Step out from under your dad’s shadow, and stop being a momma’s boy. Be your own man.
For more on the basics, get my Dating 101 audio course, and check out the Best of the Blog articles on my site: www.asianrake.com I’m going to be churning out more material for you, so stay tuned.
Thanks, Rochelle, for the great discussion.
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